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#390645 - 21/08/2005 11:23 Liga szwajcarska sezon 2005/2006
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Czas powoli przygotowywac sie do rozpoczecia sezonu hokejowego w ligach europejskich.
W tym watku piszemy o sprawach dotyczacych 1 Ligi szwajcarskiej.

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#390646 - 08/09/2005 08:40 Preview season 2005/2006
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Widzę że w temacie hokej na forum malo co sie rusza a szkoda... w kazdym razie pozwole sobie wkleic mały preview z forum bettingadvice. Jest on po angielsku ale większośc powinna sobie poradzić, jest pisany prostym językiem. I ludzie ruszcie cos z tym hokejem dla naszego wspólnego profitu pozdrawiam.

"SWISS ICEHOCKEY DNA PREVIEW 2005/2006

Lugano
After the disappointing result of last season, out already in the playoff quarter finals after the first place in the regular season, this is the season of the revenge for the always ambitious Lugano. Canadian Glenn Metropolit is the best market move of Lugano, but also finnish Hentunen and Swiss national player Wirtz are not to be underrated. Lugano is still in search of the 5th allowed foreign player like other team, because only two weeks ago they decided to leave free one of the most enjoyed player of the fans Mike Maneluk. Also the fans complained about a pretty too quite market summer. Lugano team seems really competitive in the offense with great fire power players like the already mentioned Metropolit and Nummelin, but the defence looks not reliable as in the past years. I don't expect them this year to be the best defensive side of the league, like last year.
Lugano -> 2-5 place

Ambrì Piotta
The little side of Leventina has more ambitious goal this season than the last: they want to reach at least the semifinals. I doubt they can do it, but I really liked how they played in the friendlies as they seemed already a team. Many thinks they will have even difficulties to reach the playoffs, but if they keep play like in the preseason they should not have much problem. Last year they had many injury worries and they had really luck to qualify at the end of the season, in the last game, for the playoffs.
Again Ambri will count really much on the foreign players. Trudel, Domenichelli are confirmed after two really fine season in Ambri and also Toms is still there; the two new foreign face are Korhonen and Somervuori, two finnish. Ambri never failed to choose the right foreing and the two finnish already showed some really good performance. Cereda come back in Ambri after a disappointing season in Bern and if he find back some confidance he can be a really dangerous player. Only worry is that the defence seems a little bit short and the best player will have probably to do much extrawork this year and injury worries in this case can be a real problem.
Ambri prediction -> 6-8 place

Langnau Tigers
After a really difficult season last year: many money spent and really bad results (out of the playoff), Langnau decided to tighten the budget and to be less ambitious this year. The goal is to enter the playoffs. But the season already started very bad: 6-7 players will be out this weekend and among them some for really long time. 17 players went away from Langnau and they were not all replaced by players of the same quality. They chaged all the foreign players, so you can understand this a team that is all to be invented and has to find continuity, but with such injury worries it will not be easy. Like Ambri with Domenichelli and Trudel, they will rely their hope for the playoff qualification on two ex-AHL leaders, but I doubt they will do it.
Langnau -> 8-10 place

Zsc Lions
Probably the most ambitious team of the league, with the opening of the new restored stadium the expectation are really high. Win the swiss championship is their goal, but they lost their two best player of last year season: Luke Robitaille and best Swiss player Mark Streit, both are now in the NHL. But this doesn't mean the team is weaker than last year, because they bought really talented player like Blindenbacher, Forster, Wichser, Steiner and two really good foreing player like McTavish and Karlberg. They still miss the fifth foreing player and they are looking around to find one.
The things didn't went that good in the preseason match, as the trainer Weber didn't find already a way to make the players play good togheter and probably it will not be easy without player like Streit and Robitaille. It's possible a slow start of the season. Anyway anything else than a great season from the Lions would be a really surprise.
ZSC Lions -> 1-3 place

Davos
Past year champions were really in trouble this summer with really bad results from the preseason games, but this is not a surprise for me. How is possible to replace player like Thornton, Nash and Hagmann? Probably it is, but not in the short term, anyway 4 new foreing players are at Davos for this season and are completed by the really solid Mahra. Davos this year will not expect that much from the foreing like last year and they will probably count more on the collective and routine, thanks to the really good trainer Del Curto (since 10 years at Davos!) and the Swiss leader Reto Von Arx. Possible a slow start of the season.
Another really competitive season, but a chance of a back to back swiss champions title are not high.
Davos -> 3-5 place

Geneve Servette
The american investors group decided to go away from Geneve last year and now the trainer is one of the shareholders (!) of the team. The budget for this year season is the most little of the league, but doesn't mean they are the weakest side of the league.
McSorley, the trainer, decided to build a high muscle team, with players like "the beast" Sarrault, Bezina, Breitbach, Snell, Gobbi. This will probably mean they will be one of the most penalyzed hit team of the league, as players like Sarrault and the other foreign Grozek are probably among the most nervous and indisciplinate players of the league. The addiction of the 42 years old Shiriajev make the defence pretty solid and is all composed by Swiss players.
The goal is to do better than last year, but I see it really difficult; the team is not bad at all, but I don't see them competing with the best teams of the league.
Geneve Servette: 6-9 place

Bern
With Lugano and Zürich is among the most ambitious team of the league. The title is their goal and after the disappointing semifinal playoff loss of the last season, they will try to bounce back this season.
Bern is the team with the most number of spectator for match of Europe (around 14000 a match) and as you can understand from this stats is one of the most difficult team to break at home.
They have a bounch of really good veteran Swiss players, but they will rely heavely on the performance of the foreign players, especially Eric Perrin, 29 years ex-Nhl player. After last year defence problem the team seems more disciplinate and stable and with ZSC the team seems the most complete one, difficult to find weakness in the roster.
With Zsc, Bern is the favourite for the title for me.
Bern -> 1-3 position

Ev Zug
After last year really good result (playoff semifinal) their goal is to repeat this result and the roster seems good enough to do it.
The leader of the team is expected to be like last year the great russian player Oleg Petrov, that with the addiction of Mike Maneluk (but his fitness is always a question mark) seems to me as one of the best fire power double of the league. Paul Di Pietro came also back to Zug now as a Swiss (new passport) and will try to rebuild the great ex-Ambri double with Petrov. The roster looks really solid, good keeper Weibel, talented young Swiss players and many experienced player, not probably enough to compete until the end for the title, but the goal of the playoff semifinals seems more than affordable.
Zug -> 4-6 position

Basel
The new promoted side will more than probably have hard life in the new series, they had little time to move in the market and the jump of category is pretty huge. What is certain is that they have a really good trainer, or better a winner (already two Swiss champions title in his palmares), Ruhnke, and what should be a really solid defence. Some good experienced players are now in the team and this will certainly help them, but this will in my opinion not be enough for the playoff. Especially the attack looks weak, with many players to discover and foreign players who are not really clear if they will fit good togheter and be productive enough to assure the team, good and costant results.
Basel -> 10-12 position

Fribourg
Another team who want to try to bounce back after a disappointing season (out of the playoff) is Fribourg, but it will really be a tough job for team, because replacing players like Karlberg, Hentunen and Wirz in an already pretty weak team is something really difficult. 4 new foreing players are now in the roster of Fribourg and all of them from the finnish championship, among them Hyvönen claimed to be the player with the fastest shoot of Europe. Although the change in the roster, Fribourg seems like last year an attacking team with great defence problems. Keeper Mona can not do miracle from september to april and it will be difficult not to see them taking many goals this season and the friendlies already pointed out that, 8 goals conceded to Zug is really too much.
Fribourg looks like one of the team that will fight for the playoff until the last match, but I doubt they will able to do it.
Fribourg -> 8-11 position

Kloten Flyers
Now or never this season. Or they will reach at least the quarter finals or even better the semi-finals, or Kloten Flyers will disappear. Pretty much extreme but this seems the situation at Kloten. They can no more afford a disappointing season, after they money the spent in the last season.
Marcel Jenni is back from Sweden and looks one of the main addiction of the team, although I didnt' like him when he played for the Swiss national team in the world cup, and should take the place of the leader of the team.
The team will rely heavely on the foreing players and the young talented Swiss keeper Stephan (next year in the NHL).
Difficult to judge the team, the foreign players look more than ok, but what worries more is how costant can the Swiss young players be trough the long season. Kloten young players are really talented but this do or die objective can put really high pressure on them, don't know how this will affect them.
Kloten -> 7-9 position

Rapperswill Lakers
New trainer for Rapperswill and also a new name with the addiction of that "Lakers". A beginning of a new era? Not really, the trainer is really good, Bill Gilligan, but the goal is always the same: a good season and a qualification in the playoffs. Rapperswill is always knowed for their fast start and slow finish and last year they were leading the regural season after 4 weeks and risked at the end even not to enter in the playoff.
After few preparation week they lost for an injury the foreign Eloranta, but they bought the talented 25 years Christian Berglund, that should provide many goals and assist, but also some penalty minutes. Also the really good Roest is still there and this will be of great help.
The roster looks more than average and with the new trainer probably they will play better togheter than before and the defence looks solid enough to put them in the playoff zone during the regular season.
Rapperswill Lakers -> 6-9 position

The season preview is finished, I hope it will help you. Good season to all of you."

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#390647 - 08/09/2005 08:57 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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czyli z tego co tutaj wyczytalem jutro mozna grac smailo na ambri bo widze ze basel bedzie chyba typowym outsiderem tej ligi ??? czy ktos uwaza inaczej???

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#390648 - 08/09/2005 10:29 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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jasne ambri to dla mnie jutro najlepszy typ, reszty na razie nie ruszam, choc w 2giej kolejce jush smialo na Lugano u siebie...

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#390649 - 08/09/2005 21:58 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Sadze ze śmiało mozna ZUG zagrac
Poza tym w Szwajcarji jest 1,7 na ZUG
Wiem ze to niewiele znaczy
ZUG silny przedewszystkim u siebie
ale po kursie 2,2 jutro z checią zaryzykuje

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#390650 - 09/09/2005 06:33 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Taaa Zug mozna zagrać, Langnau jest osłabione, Zug wzmocniony... Kursik kuszący, zgadzam się warto pomysleć.

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#390651 - 09/09/2005 07:41 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Witam,tez cos dorzuce

Prognose 2005/06

1. Lugano
2. Bern
3. ZSC Lions
4. Zug
5. Rapperswil
6. Davos
7. Ambri
8. Kloten Flyers

9. Servette
10. Basel
11. Fribourg-Gottéron
12. SCL Tigers


Tabela po meczach sparingowych

1. Lugano
2. Bern
3. Kloten
4. Ambrě
5. Zug
6. ZSC Lions
7. Rapperswil
8. Fribourg

9. SCL Tigers
10. Basel
11. Davos
12. Servette


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#390652 - 09/09/2005 07:58 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Po przeanalizowaniu meczy sparingowych zagram tak:


Fribourg - Servette 1 2.10

gospodarze
wygrane:HC Avangard Omsk (RUS) 5:2, HC La Chaux-de-Fonds 8:1, Genčve-Servette HC 5:1, HC Moeller Pardubice (CZE) 3:2, Lausanne HC 3:0, HC La Chaux-de-Fonds 4:1

remisy: HC Bílí Tygri Liberec (CZE) 5:5

porazki:HC Lugano 4:6, HC Lugano 4:5, JYP Jyväskylä (FIN) 3:4, EHC Basel 2:6, EHC Biel 2:3, EV Zug 7:8


Ambri - Basel 1 1.60

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#390653 - 09/09/2005 08:03 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Genčve-Servette HC

HC Martigny - Genčve-Servette HC Forum, Martigny 2:7 (1:3, 0:2, 1:2)
HC Fribourg-Gottéron - Genčve-Servette HC Center sportif de la Vallé de Joux, Le Sentier (Hockeyades) 5:1 (3:0, 2:1, 0:0)
Lausanne HC - Genčve-Servette HC Center sportif de la Vallé de Joux, Le Sentier (Hockeyades) 3:6 (1:0, 2:2, 0:4)
HC Moeller Pardubice (CZE) - Genčve-Servette HC Center sportif de la Vallé de Joux, Le Sentier (Hockeyades) 5:6 (2:1, 3:1, 0:4)
HC Lugano - Genčve-Servette HC Center sportif de la Vallé de Joux, Le Sentier (Hockeyades) 6:2 (1:0, 3:2, 2:0)
HC Moeller Pardubice (CZE) - Genčve-Servette HC Center sportif de la Vallé de Joux, Le Sentier Spiel um Platz 3 (Hockeyades) 3:4 (0:1, 1:1, 2:2)
Nürnberg Ice Tigers (D) - Genčve-Servette HC Arena, Nürnberg (D) (Mercure Cup) 2:3 (1:0, 0:2, 1:1)
Genčve-Servette HC - Adler Mannheim (D) Arena, Nürnberg (D) (Mercure Cup) 3:1 (0:0, 1:0, 2:1)
Kölner Haie (D) - Genčve-Servette HC Arena, Nürnberg (D) (Mercure Cup) 8:2 (2:1, 2:1, 4:0)
Genčve-Servette HC - HC Sierre-Anniviers Leukerbad 3:4 (2:1, 1:2, 0:0, 0:1) n.P.
Genčve-Servette HC - EHC Basel Vernets, Genf 4:1 (2:0, 0:1, 2:0)
SC Bern - Genčve-Servette HC Bern Arena, Bern 4:2 (1:0, 1:1, 2:1

to tyle

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#390654 - 09/09/2005 09:22 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Kurde zmrtwilomnei to ze ambri rpzegralo z basel w springach ....i to az 2 6 kampus co tyna to??

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#390655 - 09/09/2005 09:39 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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sparingi to nie sezon, mowie nie warto na nie patrzec, tam testuje sie zawodnikow, w sezonie jest inna motywacja. 3ba pamietac tesh ze to inauguracja sezonu... i przewaga własnej hali wypełnionej do końca...

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#390656 - 09/09/2005 09:43 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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w tabeli meczow sparingowych davos jest np na przedostatnim miejscu... servette na ostatnim... naprawde nie warto na nie patrzec bo nie odzwierciedlają sezonu...

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#390657 - 09/09/2005 09:48 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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no a poza ty,m basel jest slabiutkie z tego co wyczyatlem a ambri ma dosc ciekawe aspiracje poprostu musi byc 1:P:)

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#390658 - 09/09/2005 09:53 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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pamietam basel 2 sezony temu, tesh sie dostali i tak w dupe dostawali ze az niemilo... ambri to druzyna wlasnego lodowiska, szanse na niespodzianke sa bardzo male. w ogole w szwajcarii fajne jest to ze wiekszosc klubow ma dobre zaplecze finansowe itd. wiadomo czego spodziewac sie po zespolach. to nie rosja gdzie rozne machlojki leca. wystarzcy tam spojrzec na 1sza kolejke . dlatego szwajcaria jest super do grania...

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#390659 - 09/09/2005 09:54 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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aha warto tesh pomyslec nad 1sza tercja w tym meczu... z doswiadczenia wiem ze moga jush caly mnecz zakonczyc w 1szej tercji. w szwajcarii to bardzo czeste. szybkie 3:0 i posprzatane. a kursik niezly bo oscylujacy w granicach 2.00...

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#390660 - 09/09/2005 09:57 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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dzis dowalam jeszcze zug... klub strzasznie ambitny, kasy tesh nie brakuje, duze wzmocnienia... langnau to bedzie outsider to pewne i dlatego dzis moze gladko 2jka wejsc...

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#390661 - 09/09/2005 09:59 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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ja satram sie wyvbrac po jednym meczu z kazdej ligi (w sumie juz to zorbilem) i chce to zagrac i stad wlasnei wybralem: ambri

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#390662 - 09/09/2005 10:01 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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no i bardzo dobrze tesh tak robie, ale zug sobie z 1sza tercja ambri zagram osobno tak dla zabawy

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#390663 - 09/09/2005 16:55 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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Pamietacie, kiedys było takie radio z relacja na zywo... Zna ktos moze linka?

Ja niestety juz go nie mam

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#390664 - 09/09/2005 17:21 Re: Preview season 2005/2006
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